Comments on: Magnesium supplementation found to improve physical function in older women https://www.drbriffa.com/magnesium-supplementation-found-to-improve-physical-function-in-older-women/ A health-focused blog that makes sense of science, and offers accurate, trustworthy and practical advice about all aspects of healthy living. Sat, 26 Jul 2014 17:03:59 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.11 By: Hilary https://www.drbriffa.com/magnesium-supplementation-found-to-improve-physical-function-in-older-women/#comment-210940 Sat, 26 Jul 2014 17:03:59 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6408#comment-210940 In reply to M. Cawdery.

“If causally associated, the supplementation of vitamin D may help in preventing insulin resistance and subsequent T2DM”

This is the last line of the abstract of the paper you linked to.

This is the point I’m trying to make. There is a lot of vitatmin D research out there, but it is correlational. When you have a correlation causality could go either way, or both observations could be caused by another factor, or factors.

If you take a close look at the body of vitamin D research it is simply not strong enough to recommend supplementation.

Insulin receptors are also located throughout the body, but this doesn’t mean giving people lots of insulin is a good thing.

Drs aren’t prescribing vitamin D because of commercialism but because of a very poor interpretation of the literature.

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By: M. Cawdery https://www.drbriffa.com/magnesium-supplementation-found-to-improve-physical-function-in-older-women/#comment-209818 Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:54:21 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6408#comment-209818 In reply to Hilary.

I agree – “the science is as shaky as that for statins.” but this is because of blatant commercialism.

Vitamin D is not patentable and is less subject to commercial misinformation

http;//www.vitamindcouncil.org is an independent organization.

A pubmed search on Vitamin D found 59965 references.

an example is the following that can be downloaded in full.

Relationship between insulin resistance and plasma vitamin D in adults
http://www.dovepress.com/relationship-between-insulin-resistance-and-plasma-vitamin-d-in-adults-peer-reviewed-article-DMSO
Diabetes, Metabolic Syndrome and Obesity: Targets and Therapy 2014:7 297–303

Vitamin D is not just related to rickets; it is involved in some 500 metabolic processes and every cell in the body has vit d receptors. But it is far from a cure all.

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By: Hilary https://www.drbriffa.com/magnesium-supplementation-found-to-improve-physical-function-in-older-women/#comment-208488 Sat, 19 Jul 2014 19:16:05 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6408#comment-208488 “vitamin D is another nutrient that is critically important to muscular function”

Really?

Most of the vitamin D research I’ve seen is of a correlation between low levels of vitamin D and poor health. There is very little well conducted supplementation evidence that shows increasing vitamin D levels is good for anything. Could be that low vitamin D levels are a result of chronic disease (along with maybe, poorer muscle function, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and all the other things vitamin D is supposed to prevent). It even seems to be a struggle to find good evidence that supplementing vitamin D improves bone density.

There may be all sorts of possible reasons for the relationship between low serum D and ill health. The evidence is not there that supports the sort of widespread prescription of supplements that is going on.

Take a look – the science is as shaky as that for statins.

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By: Magnesium supplementation found to improve physical function in older women « wchildblog https://www.drbriffa.com/magnesium-supplementation-found-to-improve-physical-function-in-older-women/#comment-208378 Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:01:00 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6408#comment-208378 […] Dr John Briffa on 11 July […]

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By: AnnieD https://www.drbriffa.com/magnesium-supplementation-found-to-improve-physical-function-in-older-women/#comment-206948 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 02:16:33 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6408#comment-206948 Friends of mine each consume a pinch of Epsom Salts, magnesium sulphate, per day and I (aged 74) use magnesium phosphate tissue salt to deal with night cramps most successfully. Must try some on my dozy cumquat tree!
Also, in spite of being Australian, I was recently very low on Vitamin D. My GP suggested 2 tablets a day for a couple of months and one of the most noticeable effects was as though my brain woke up! Weird but true.

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By: Dr David Unwin https://www.drbriffa.com/magnesium-supplementation-found-to-improve-physical-function-in-older-women/#comment-206879 Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:42:41 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6408#comment-206879 As a GP the commonest cause of magnesium deficiency I come across is as a side effect of taking the almost ubiquitous omeprazole or lanzoprazole for acidity -I even had a patient with such a low magnesium caused in this way he had life threatening fits !!

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By: NM https://www.drbriffa.com/magnesium-supplementation-found-to-improve-physical-function-in-older-women/#comment-206433 Mon, 14 Jul 2014 13:57:44 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6408#comment-206433 Magnesium must be one of the most cost-effective bang-for-your-buck supplements one can ingest. Its metabolic effects can be profound. Certainly, if it were patentable, it would rightly be promoted as a statin-buster in its clinical efficacy!

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By: SuePG https://www.drbriffa.com/magnesium-supplementation-found-to-improve-physical-function-in-older-women/#comment-206357 Mon, 14 Jul 2014 09:48:28 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6408#comment-206357 I have been taking magnesium for several years. I have mostly stuck to citrate and malate but have tried threonate and taurate. Here’s a link to a page on the Mark Sisson’s forum which gives a very good run down on the different types:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread87791.html

““speed of walking over a 4-metre distance…”

Surely you mean kilometres!???”

Maybe at 71 and before the magnesium supplementation 4 metres was all they could manage 😉

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By: bert hubert https://www.drbriffa.com/magnesium-supplementation-found-to-improve-physical-function-in-older-women/#comment-206263 Sat, 12 Jul 2014 18:26:25 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6408#comment-206263 Interesting! The abstract is on http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2014/07/09/ajcn.113.080168.abstract

John, at the bottom of your post, the reference to the article is a bit quaint, “random mice”? 😉

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By: Hilda https://www.drbriffa.com/magnesium-supplementation-found-to-improve-physical-function-in-older-women/#comment-206259 Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:55:44 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6408#comment-206259 “speed of walking over a 4-metre distance…”

Surely you mean kilometres!???

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By: M. Cawdery https://www.drbriffa.com/magnesium-supplementation-found-to-improve-physical-function-in-older-women/#comment-206253 Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:22:26 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6408#comment-206253 I certainly take magnesium daily as a supplement. It is a vital microelement and is, I understand, involved in over 300 metabolic processes in the body. It is a well known deficiency in cows. It is also important for muscular activity including the heart.

In the US the average daily intake is below the RDI and I suspect the same is true for the UK as, after centuries of cultivation, soil and consequently plants are short of magnesium. In my own garden years ago we had raspberry canes (5 ft) and miserable. Threw a pound of epsom salts (MgSO4) on them – 8 ft tall. Take it or leave it!

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By: Soul https://www.drbriffa.com/magnesium-supplementation-found-to-improve-physical-function-in-older-women/#comment-206221 Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:42:01 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6408#comment-206221 I have to admit, I had a laugh after reading the article! Giving 900mgs a day of magnesium oxide a day seemed cruel, unethical! Visions of the atomic laxative that GI specialists prescribe for a lower GI scoping came to mind. I’m not surprised that the ladies walking speed increased. They would need to be quicker for sprinting to the toilet! My opinion is a bit shaded on this though, having an IBD condition. I would think also that the other forms of magnesium would be better for taking at larger doses, in my opinion.

On a more serious note, I know of a couple relatives that take a good amount of magnesium oxide (likely the oxide version) daily. I’ve been told that it is their favorite supplement, giving extra pep for the day.

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By: Vanessa https://www.drbriffa.com/magnesium-supplementation-found-to-improve-physical-function-in-older-women/#comment-206217 Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:40:25 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6408#comment-206217 Just out of interest, why did they exclude women with ‘relatively’ low levels of vitamin D?

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