Comments on: Evidence links cholesterol-reducing interventions with increased risk of dying from accidents, suicide and violence https://www.drbriffa.com/evidence-links-cholesterol-reducing-interventions-with-increased-risk-of-dying-from-accidents-suicide-and-violence/ A health-focused blog that makes sense of science, and offers accurate, trustworthy and practical advice about all aspects of healthy living. Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:55:48 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.11 By: Research finds ‘raised’ cholesterol to be associated with a reduced risk of death | Dr Briffa's Blog - A Good Look at Good Health https://www.drbriffa.com/evidence-links-cholesterol-reducing-interventions-with-increased-risk-of-dying-from-accidents-suicide-and-violence/#comment-198686 Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:55:48 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=5886#comment-198686 […] of cholesterol are associated with a reduced risk of cancer. And even last week I wrote about some research which suggests that putting downward pressure on cholesterol levels increases the risk of death due […]

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By: Jennie https://www.drbriffa.com/evidence-links-cholesterol-reducing-interventions-with-increased-risk-of-dying-from-accidents-suicide-and-violence/#comment-198649 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:17:46 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=5886#comment-198649 Today’s Daily Mail ( so it must be true) (not)

“Can sugary cereal and a chocolate drink really lower your
Cholesterol?

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By: Stephen Rhodes https://www.drbriffa.com/evidence-links-cholesterol-reducing-interventions-with-increased-risk-of-dying-from-accidents-suicide-and-violence/#comment-198613 Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:09:34 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=5886#comment-198613 I have recently ploughed through ‘The Magnesium Miracle’ by Carolyn Dean and found within the section on ‘Cholesterol and Hypertension’ a sub-section entitled ‘Magnesium acts like a natural statin’.

This sub-section appears to be largely based on a Review by Rosanoff, A. and Seeling, M from 2004 (which can be found in full at http://www.jacn.org/content/23/5/501S.full.pdf+html ).

While this blog article would clearly disagree with some of the ‘claims’ for the efficacy of statins noted in the Review, it is an interesting exposition of the importance of maintaining the ‘proper’ level of magnesium required to facilitate a ‘natural’ control of mevalonate production.

It would be interesting to know whether the UK diet is as poor at providing the essential ‘mineral’ Magnesium as the US diet – which Dean claims provides about 80% of RDA for men, and only 70% of RDA for women.

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By: Gregory Barton https://www.drbriffa.com/evidence-links-cholesterol-reducing-interventions-with-increased-risk-of-dying-from-accidents-suicide-and-violence/#comment-198609 Sat, 17 Aug 2013 05:17:39 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=5886#comment-198609 Rita: read my comment immediately above yours. The fact that some Mediterraneans have low cholesterol in their blood does not, per se, indicate a high probability that these people are deficient in cholesterol. It could mean that they are efficient at utilizing it such that there is little cholesterol pooling in their blood.

Mike S: There are many references that attest to the cholesterol-lowering effect of thyroid hormone. The mechanism is not controversial. (Here is one such study http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/86/10/4860.full. You can google others.)

The controversy relates to eligible candidates for such therapy. Conventional medical wisdom is that only those who are diagnosed by blood tests as hypothyroid would benefit from thyroid supplementation.

Some claim that thyroid supplementation is undesirable due to “cardiac effects”:

“Thyroid hormones [predominantly 3,5,3′-triiodo-l-thyronine (T3)] regulate cholesterol and lipoprotein metabolism, but cardiac effects restrict their use as hypolipidemic drugs.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1177400/#!po=72.2222

The American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists acknowledges,

“Normalization of a variety of clinical and metabolic end points including resting heart rate, serum cholesterol, anxiety level, sleep pattern, and menstrual cycle abnormalities including menometrorrhagia are further confirmatory findings that patients have been restored to a euthyroid state.”

But the AACE states in its guidelines that high cholesterol should not be used to indicate hypothyroidism.

https://www.aace.com/files/hypothyroidism_guidelines.pdf

Despite the AACE guidelines, there is a school of thought that claims that hypothyroidism cannot be ruled out by reason of normal blood tests. Mark Starr is one such proponent. He claims that hypothyroidism is a disease of the mitochondria and that blood tests are only indirect measurements of thyroid function. (Google his book on Amazon. There are also podcasts and Youtube talks.)

Starr, and other ‘functionalists’, such as Blanchard, claim that the only way to determine whether some is hypothyroid is to try supplementing the hormone and see whether symptoms resolve. According to this school of thought, high cholesterol would be a sign of hypothyroidism.

The argument against the functionalists is that their claims are too ‘non-specific’. Anything and everything could be due to hypothyroidism, say the critics. The functionalists reply that anything could be due hypothyroidism because thyroid is required by every cell in the body and so a deficiency could manifest itself in any or many of numerous ways. And on and on goes the debate.

My feeling is that normal cholesterol levels indicate that lipid homeostasis is functioning properly: ie, cholesterol is being taken up by the liver and excess dietary cholesterol is being eliminated as bile salts.

Given the choice between a pharmaceutical that blocks the production of cholesterol or a hormone that facilitates its utilization which would you prefer?

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By: Stevie https://www.drbriffa.com/evidence-links-cholesterol-reducing-interventions-with-increased-risk-of-dying-from-accidents-suicide-and-violence/#comment-198604 Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:38:45 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=5886#comment-198604 Rita

You can find the entire paper here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1663605/pdf/bmj00192-0015.pdf

I still have happy memories of my first trip to Florence, almost 30 years ago, when I discovered that the preliminary pasta was served in very small portions, and the T-bone steak, in all its glory, covered most of the plate…

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By: MikeS https://www.drbriffa.com/evidence-links-cholesterol-reducing-interventions-with-increased-risk-of-dying-from-accidents-suicide-and-violence/#comment-198600 Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:47:46 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=5886#comment-198600 Gregory:

Any reference for thyroid supplementation? And I assume you are suggesting it when there is hypothyroidism. Turned around, maybe high cholesterol suggests hypothyroidism? No idea. Just a thought.

Rita:

The majority of modern Greeks and Italians don’t eat “Mediterranean” any more. And yes, it would be interesting to see what the typical untreated level of cholesterol is for a variety of diets (Masai, Kitawans, Okinawans, etc).

Finally, this is an intriguing study, suggesting many interesting human-based experiments. Wonder why it hasn’t been followed up by anybody.

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By: Dave https://www.drbriffa.com/evidence-links-cholesterol-reducing-interventions-with-increased-risk-of-dying-from-accidents-suicide-and-violence/#comment-198599 Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:36:37 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=5886#comment-198599 Rita,the people in the Mediterranean also eat lots of animal protein,fatty protein at that.Lots of lamb and cheese.Ask any Greek.

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By: Rita https://www.drbriffa.com/evidence-links-cholesterol-reducing-interventions-with-increased-risk-of-dying-from-accidents-suicide-and-violence/#comment-198594 Fri, 16 Aug 2013 13:00:54 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=5886#comment-198594 The aggressive behavior of rats whose cholesterol is drastically lowered points to the connection between brain function and the need for cholesterol to nourish the nervous system.

But a similar finding in humans, although it may have relevance, is so extreme in its implications that I have a hard time taking it very seriously. And I’m not one of those people who thinks it’s bad to eat saturated fats or that cholesterol per se is the enemy.

There are societies whose diets tend them towards lower cholesterol (I’m thinking of the Mediterranean countries where folks eat a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables, olive oil and fish, such as Greece, for example). The Greeks don’t strike me as any more suicidal or violence prone than any other group.

However, if the study subjects had such artificially, radically lowered cholesterol levels that they were more or less lacking cholesterol all together, then aberrant behavior might be expected, because cholesterol is essential for life. So I’d be curious to know just how low the serum cholesterol of violent or suicidal subjects was. What was the definition of “low” in this study?

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By: Gregory Barton https://www.drbriffa.com/evidence-links-cholesterol-reducing-interventions-with-increased-risk-of-dying-from-accidents-suicide-and-violence/#comment-198592 Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:48:39 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=5886#comment-198592 “While we are consistently encouraged to keep our cholesterol levels in check for the sake of our heart health, common sense dictates that we should be somewhat cautious here. After all, cholesterol is an essential element in the body and, for instance, is integral to the structure and function of all our cells, including those in the brain.”

There are two ways in which high serum cholesterol can be lowered to ‘normal’ levels. First, one can choke off the production by pharmaceutical means, depriving the body of the building blocks for cell walls, steroid hormones and vitamin D and perhaps leading to violence and suicides, as the study suggests.

Secondly one can improve the ‘clearance’ or ‘utilization’ of cholesterol in the liver by thyroid supplementation. The former method treats cholesterol as a toxin. The latter treats cholesterol as a nutrient and I doubt that such a method of cholesterol reduction would result in violence and suicide.

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By: Gregory Barton https://www.drbriffa.com/evidence-links-cholesterol-reducing-interventions-with-increased-risk-of-dying-from-accidents-suicide-and-violence/#comment-198590 Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:18:52 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=5886#comment-198590 “I haven’t a clue as to my “cholesterol” status, as it is irrelevant.”

I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the significance of serum cholesterol, especially if it indicates that your thyroid isn’t functioning optimally. There are many benefits to be had, besides lowering a cholesterol number, if suboptimal thyroid function is remedied.

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By: Robert Park https://www.drbriffa.com/evidence-links-cholesterol-reducing-interventions-with-increased-risk-of-dying-from-accidents-suicide-and-violence/#comment-198589 Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:03:19 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=5886#comment-198589 I can lend support to what Jennifer (above) says but I will not relate my terror of going to the GPs Surgery for an annual health check simply as I require selegiline to keep my brain in order after having to have a quadruple 23 years ago. Why the public cannot purchase drugs from a pharmacy without the need for a medical prescription never ceases to frustrate me. I can travel to other countries and purchase medication OTC but not in the UK or the US without a prescription. Some four years ago on getting the results of my annual test I was informed that my cholesterol level was a tad high and the GP was about to place me on statins but she could not see my heels for the dust as I made a quick, very quick, exit! A neighbour of mine has been on statins for 12 years during which time he has wandered around in a daze and totally disassociated from the world around him. Tell me the old, old story!

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By: Jennifer https://www.drbriffa.com/evidence-links-cholesterol-reducing-interventions-with-increased-risk-of-dying-from-accidents-suicide-and-violence/#comment-198588 Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:15:56 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=5886#comment-198588 I came off high doseage statins 16 weeks ago, against medical advice, after my total cholesterol level plummeted to 3.3mmol. I had removed the carbs from my diet in the preceeding 2 months, and my triglycride reading was a very healthy 1, along with a healthy HbA1c.
Why on earth should I be encouraged to continue with statins, being a 65 year old female with no cardiac history? But I was quizzed on my state of depression! Well, yes, I was feeling low, very low at being pushed to take all manner of drugs. Now off the lot of them, I am as happy as Larry, in fact I no longer have unpleasant dreams, and I haven’t a clue as to my “cholesterol” status, as it is irrelevant. My glucose levels are consistently normal ( home testing only, so I have no idea of my HbA1c).
I have returned to the weight I was at age 35, and have a diet rich in natural fats and quality proteins, just as I served up then as an active mother and housewife. The decline started that year, 1983. So, 30 years of bad dietary advice and excess interference from GPs!
And loads of time to enjoy life as I don’t venture near the surgery these days.

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