Comments on: Australian documentary challenging the value of statins is removed by broadcaster https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/ A health-focused blog that makes sense of science, and offers accurate, trustworthy and practical advice about all aspects of healthy living. Thu, 22 May 2014 13:20:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.11 By: Jennifer https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/#comment-204533 Thu, 22 May 2014 13:20:11 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6339#comment-204533 Apparently those stupid little ticks of approval bring in a lot of Money . Small wonder the Heart Foundation is trying to prevent the inevitable.,
The Cholesterol boondoggle will likely unravel in the next few Years , The information has been out there for quite a while,
It’s just that no one has been allowed to hear it.

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By: Chris https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/#comment-204525 Thu, 22 May 2014 09:59:21 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6339#comment-204525 In reply to Chris.

The reply came back (02:21 BST 21/05/2014)

“[ .. .. ]

“Both episodes of Catalyst’s ‘The Heart of the Matter’ were reviewed by Audience and Consumer Affairs, an independent unit that reviews ABC programs to assess whether they meet our editorial standards. These standards are necessarily high, consistent with what Australian audiences expect from their national broadcaster.

“Following a thorough review of the programs, Audience and Consumer Affairs concluded that there had been a failure to meet these standards.

“The decision to remove the programs was made by senior management and the Board having regard to the seriousness of the subject matter and the possible health implications. There has been no diminution of the ABC’s editorial independence and I have in fact encouraged our science journalists to continue to investigate and report on this subject in accordance with our editorial policies.

“Yours sincerely,

“Mark Scott

“Managing Director

So that last sentence is encouraging, perhaps people power has had Mark Scott capitulate in mind, or maybe he was a sympathiser all along, anmd since he’s an MD we never get to know which.

The injustice remains mind, higher ‘editorial standards’ are being exerted upon the rightful expression of dissent than were ever applied to promotion of a totally aberrant fat/cholesterol hypothesis and the prescription guidelines (or practice) that rise(s) above it.

The consensus on fat and cholesterol emerged without ever meeting ‘editorial standards’ (even those supposedly involved by peer review) yet now it has become nigh on impossible to challenge it through channels either within peer review or outside of the process without being subjected to retrospective censorship.

What a world we live in.

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By: Alexander Cranford https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/#comment-204524 Thu, 22 May 2014 09:46:26 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6339#comment-204524 The National Heart Foundation is essentially an advertizing agency for the margarine industry. If they feel so maligned, maybe they should be given an episode of Four Corner ( the down-under equivalent of Panorama) . Such a program would look like an an infomercial found on a home shopping network channel. Enlightened members of the audience can watch and shake out heads at the inept medical advice given on the program.

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By: Jennifer https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/#comment-204516 Thu, 22 May 2014 07:02:34 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6339#comment-204516 From a link a kind person posted earlier..Part2, hope it works….

https://web.archive.org/web/20131114132733/http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3881441.htm

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By: David https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/#comment-204514 Thu, 22 May 2014 05:25:41 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6339#comment-204514 In reply to Marilyn Schroeder.

Appears to have gone.

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By: Alexander Cranford https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/#comment-204510 Wed, 21 May 2014 22:33:30 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6339#comment-204510 This is a comment I posted on this page but has not been posted up.
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/4002580.htm
The report was more ticks than crosses. The suggestion,
“In our judgement, the quality of the program would have been enhanced if it had more clearly communicated why the National Heart Foundation hold their views. ”
would have upset the Heart Foundation even more that the two programs did. Money is the reason they hold their views . Some years ago Nettelex had to stop using the Tick logo because the NHF asked Nuttlelex for $30,000, Nuttelex refused to pay.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/the-family-spread/2006/11/04/1162340090522.html?page=3
The whole food business is complex and difficult to understand. What most people have no idea of the slim margins there are in the production and distribution of butter. Some years ago when I was running a restaurant I decided to check the price on 500g Black & Gold butter at Campbell’s Cash & Carry. Would you believe it was 2c a packet cheaper, plus freight than the local supermarket? For this reason , you never see generic brand butter on a catalogue special. Even brand name butter only occasionally makes it as a catalogue special. Margarine on the other hand has a much higher mark up so it is easy to knock the price down for the week and make it look like a bargain.
As margarine production is far more lucrative than butter production, more money is available for promotion purposes. Even if butter manufacturers were willing to give the NHF any money it would put the NHF in a conflict of interest. The Heart Foundation knows what side their bread is buttered on.
The report also states,
“Little substantive evidence was presented to support their perspective and the strength of the evidence that was referred to was doubted in the narration and directly challenged – and often emphatically rejected – by other contributors. ”
and
“In our view, the program could have done a better job of teasing out the mainstream perspective to leave audiences better informed. ”
The whole point of the first program was highlight the lack good hard scientific evidence against saturated fat. The only scientific evidence is what Dr Robert Grenfell: Meta analyses have, in fact, actually shown that, you know, we can say with convincing evidence that intake of saturated fats leads to an increase in blood cholesterol.
He did however make a serious omission as he failed to mention that consuming saturated fat pushes up LDL ‘s and HDL’s by equal amounts and therefore not of any concern. Trans fat on the other hand pushes up LDL’s and pushes down HDL’s and therefore should be avoided. Dr Robert Grenfell probably already knows this but has to be careful not to upset the likes of Unilever and Goodman-Fielder. The Heart Foundation therefore cannot be considered a source of expert unbiased, disinterested information. I cannot understand why the ABC hold the organization in such reverence.
I would also add.
Quote from the report,
“Associate Prof David Sullivan: I think there are some very telling pieces of evidence which have been used to establish the importance of avoiding saturated fat. If saturated fat is completely benign, if it’s actually beneficial, where’s the evidence in support of that? Where’s the evidence of an alternative cause? We are particularly keen to get some dietary advice, because otherwise what do we offer people? ”
This is standard pseudo science. To answer his question all the same just look at France with its high saturated fat consumption and low rates of heart disease. Also look at countries where coconut oil has been traditionally consumed. If saturated fat causes heart disease then people in such countries should be dropping dead all over the place, but this is simply not the case.

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By: Lesley https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/#comment-204500 Wed, 21 May 2014 08:39:38 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6339#comment-204500 In reply to Jimhealthy.

Zoe Harcombe has investigated Rory Collins’ ties to statin-makers. Here is the link and find the heading ‘Funding’

http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2014/05/its-not-about-statins-its-about-censorship/#comments

Thank you Zoe

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By: Marilyn Schroeder https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/#comment-204488 Tue, 20 May 2014 21:12:44 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6339#comment-204488 And here’s Episode 2.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cgV09nHOAMM

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By: Susan https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/#comment-204463 Mon, 19 May 2014 16:46:21 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6339#comment-204463 In reply to Eric Thurston.

Agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment.
With the recent changes in US health insurance and the government access to all medical records through EHRs, I too fear that the insurance companies/government will enforce the doctors’ prescription orders. And the orders will, of course, be mandated to adhere to the current guidelines, which in turn, will be based on Big Pharma’s manipulated data.
As the old saying goes, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you…

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By: Jonathan Bagley https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/#comment-204461 Mon, 19 May 2014 15:09:41 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6339#comment-204461 Here is a critique
http://www.plantpositive.com/catalyst-corrected-1-the-histo/

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By: Jonathan Bagley https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/#comment-204460 Mon, 19 May 2014 13:49:07 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6339#comment-204460 Here’s episode 1. I don’t know how to save it, but I’m sure other people do. Better hurry up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdQaWWlTEnY#t=49

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By: Jonathan Bagley https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/#comment-204459 Mon, 19 May 2014 12:59:57 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6339#comment-204459 In reply to Anna.

I have many Russian and other European work colleagues and it is always they, not us British, who get most concerned about secrecy, censorship and corruption.

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By: NM https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/#comment-204454 Mon, 19 May 2014 07:59:39 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6339#comment-204454 In reply to Liz Smith.

Pendulum testing? This sort of pseudoscientific rubbish is manna from heaven for people like Collins, who wish to portray sceptics as nut-jobs. Thanks!

No need to resort to idiotic woo when questioning statins: merely learn about the Mevalonate pathway and how statins throw a spanner into it. Sure, it’s more involved than relying on the idiometer reaction of a pendulum, but you’ll not be (deservedly) laughed out of the debating chamber.

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By: Eric Thurston https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/#comment-204450 Sun, 18 May 2014 18:28:06 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6339#comment-204450 In reply to jimhealthy.

“More troubling to me than the statin issue is the soft censorship that this action — and others like it — represent.”

Another possibility that I find very frightening is the possibility that insurance companies (in the US anyway where there is no national health insurance) will start enforcing the Dr.’s orders by dropping anyone who refuses to take statins (or any other medication) as per Dr.’s orders. This would effectively complete the Big Pharma control over our medical system. They could count on the people acting like baby birds in the nest with our mouths open wide ready to accept any drug that Pharma puts out regardless of how bad the science is for this drug.

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By: Lindy Loo https://www.drbriffa.com/australian-documentary-challenging-the-value-of-statins-is-removed-by-broadcaster/#comment-204448 Sun, 18 May 2014 17:29:13 +0000 http://www.drbriffa.com/?p=6339#comment-204448 Well said Jennifer! Junk science it was . Genuine results are crushed.

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