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	<title>Comments on: When is a &#8216;healthy&#8217; food not a healthy food after all?</title>
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		<title>By: Dr John Briffa</title>
		<link>http://www.drbriffa.com/blog/2008/04/18/when-is-a-healthy-food-not-a-healthy-food-after-all/#comment-80347</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr John Briffa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks George - now you explained it, it seems obvious. Though it shouldn't stop the manufacturer sending me some pics and a detailed description of the manufacturing process...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks George - now you explained it, it seems obvious. Though it shouldn&#8217;t stop the manufacturer sending me some pics and a detailed description of the manufacturing process&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John
Re the "no glass" policy. I find it hard to believe you don't get that one. "No glass" because glass can break, chip, shatter, etc, and get into production - resulting in potentially costly liability law suits at worst and embarrassing recalls at best. I welcome food mfrs who are careful in this respect. Other than that - well done.
George</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John<br />
Re the &#8220;no glass&#8221; policy. I find it hard to believe you don&#8217;t get that one. &#8220;No glass&#8221; because glass can break, chip, shatter, etc, and get into production - resulting in potentially costly liability law suits at worst and embarrassing recalls at best. I welcome food mfrs who are careful in this respect. Other than that - well done.<br />
George</p>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was (and perhaps will be again) a vegetarian for many years for ethical reasons. My problem was that I felt so self-righteous and was having dreams that I'd eaten meat and thereby broke my record. 
When I moved here from America in the 80s I was thrilled to find Quorn. But I tried it only twice and become so horribly ill (as if I'd been posioned) that I never got it again. 
I hope that another way can be found to get good quality protein for vegetarians but for me Quorn was definitely not it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was (and perhaps will be again) a vegetarian for many years for ethical reasons. My problem was that I felt so self-righteous and was having dreams that I&#8217;d eaten meat and thereby broke my record.<br />
When I moved here from America in the 80s I was thrilled to find Quorn. But I tried it only twice and become so horribly ill (as if I&#8217;d been posioned) that I never got it again.<br />
I hope that another way can be found to get good quality protein for vegetarians but for me Quorn was definitely not it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"A team of 10 PETA jurors will taste the entries to make sure they match the texture and flavor of chicken, and they must score at least 80 out of 100 points to win the prize."

PETA jurors judging for texture and flavor of chicken?  ROFLMAO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A team of 10 PETA jurors will taste the entries to make sure they match the texture and flavor of chicken, and they must score at least 80 out of 100 points to win the prize.&#8221;</p>
<p>PETA jurors judging for texture and flavor of chicken?  ROFLMAO!</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was vegetarian for 5 years and initially ate quite a lot of quorn but as I educated myself better I started to eat more lentils and beans and get my protein from those sources and eggs.  I also discovered after a few times of cooking with quorn ie substituting it for mince in recipes that my stomach bloated out painfully for several hours later I have never encountered this with any other food.  I have now returned to meat but am careful to ensure that it comes a from a reliable source.  My son is still vegetarian and I have the odd quorn product (fake chicken burgers) in the freezer for emergency quick meals but it is rare and definitely not with any health benefits in view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was vegetarian for 5 years and initially ate quite a lot of quorn but as I educated myself better I started to eat more lentils and beans and get my protein from those sources and eggs.  I also discovered after a few times of cooking with quorn ie substituting it for mince in recipes that my stomach bloated out painfully for several hours later I have never encountered this with any other food.  I have now returned to meat but am careful to ensure that it comes a from a reliable source.  My son is still vegetarian and I have the odd quorn product (fake chicken burgers) in the freezer for emergency quick meals but it is rare and definitely not with any health benefits in view.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone see this news piece on PETA:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=450950
PETA offers millions for test-tube meat
Tuesday Apr 22 06:45 AEST
Steaks out of a test-tube? The animal rights group PETA is putting up a US$1 million (A$1.06 million) reward for anyone who by 2012 can grow in-vitro meat that looks and tastes like the real thing.

"In-vitro meat production would use animal stem cells that would be placed in a medium to grow and reproduce. The result would mimic flesh and could be cooked and eaten," People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) said in a statement.

The reward will go to the participant who manages by 2012 to put test-tube chicken into commercial production and successful sell it in at least 10 US states at a competitive price.

Teams of researchers around the world are already working on producing meat in a laboratory, but it will be several years yet before in-vitro meat makes it onto the dinner table.

 
 
 
A team of 10 PETA jurors will taste the entries to make sure they match the texture and flavor of chicken, and they must score at least 80 out of 100 points to win the prize.

The New York Times revealed that the scheme almost triggered a civil war within the headquarters of the organization dedicated to fighting for animal rights. But PETA argued the move would help avoid unnecessary suffering.

"More than 40 billion chickens, fish, pigs, and cows are killed every year for food in the United States in horrific ways," it said in its statement.

"In-vitro meat would spare animals from this suffering. In addition, in vitro meat would dramatically reduce the devastating effects the meat industry has on the environment."

And it added that while "humans don't need to eat meat at all" since many people continued "to refuse to kick their meat addictions, PETA is willing to help them gain access to flesh that doesn't cause suffering and death."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone see this news piece on PETA:<br />
<a href="http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=450950" rel="nofollow">http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=450950</a><br />
PETA offers millions for test-tube meat<br />
Tuesday Apr 22 06:45 AEST<br />
Steaks out of a test-tube? The animal rights group PETA is putting up a US$1 million (A$1.06 million) reward for anyone who by 2012 can grow in-vitro meat that looks and tastes like the real thing.</p>
<p>&#8220;In-vitro meat production would use animal stem cells that would be placed in a medium to grow and reproduce. The result would mimic flesh and could be cooked and eaten,&#8221; People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) said in a statement.</p>
<p>The reward will go to the participant who manages by 2012 to put test-tube chicken into commercial production and successful sell it in at least 10 US states at a competitive price.</p>
<p>Teams of researchers around the world are already working on producing meat in a laboratory, but it will be several years yet before in-vitro meat makes it onto the dinner table.</p>
<p>A team of 10 PETA jurors will taste the entries to make sure they match the texture and flavor of chicken, and they must score at least 80 out of 100 points to win the prize.</p>
<p>The New York Times revealed that the scheme almost triggered a civil war within the headquarters of the organization dedicated to fighting for animal rights. But PETA argued the move would help avoid unnecessary suffering.</p>
<p>&#8220;More than 40 billion chickens, fish, pigs, and cows are killed every year for food in the United States in horrific ways,&#8221; it said in its statement.</p>
<p>&#8220;In-vitro meat would spare animals from this suffering. In addition, in vitro meat would dramatically reduce the devastating effects the meat industry has on the environment.&#8221;</p>
<p>And it added that while &#8220;humans don&#8217;t need to eat meat at all&#8221; since many people continued &#8220;to refuse to kick their meat addictions, PETA is willing to help them gain access to flesh that doesn&#8217;t cause suffering and death.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many 'foods' may be derived from nature, but what is natural food?  Surely food natural to humans is that which we have evolved with, which our bodies have evolved too.

We all know people that have overt reactions, like allergies, to modern foods like soya, grains and dairy.  As we didn't evolve on this I don't consider that a surprise.

Perhaps Quorn would make a good substance to combat the starvation of the poor in famine stricken regions?  I would only eat it if I was starving and had no other choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many &#8216;foods&#8217; may be derived from nature, but what is natural food?  Surely food natural to humans is that which we have evolved with, which our bodies have evolved too.</p>
<p>We all know people that have overt reactions, like allergies, to modern foods like soya, grains and dairy.  As we didn&#8217;t evolve on this I don&#8217;t consider that a surprise.</p>
<p>Perhaps Quorn would make a good substance to combat the starvation of the poor in famine stricken regions?  I would only eat it if I was starving and had no other choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"and have to agree with the above post that you cannot call something unhealthy purely on the basis that it is low fat."

Dr Briffa is not saying Quorn is unhealthy purely because it is low fat - he is saying the marketing tactics to sell a product is to say its low fat which really sells especially to the fat-phobiac market.  Quorn is unhealthy because its a fake food product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and have to agree with the above post that you cannot call something unhealthy purely on the basis that it is low fat.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dr Briffa is not saying Quorn is unhealthy purely because it is low fat - he is saying the marketing tactics to sell a product is to say its low fat which really sells especially to the fat-phobiac market.  Quorn is unhealthy because its a fake food product.</p>
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		<title>By: helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Dr Briffa, I think there should be a bit more of this challenging of claims made by food "manufactures" in regards to their foods being healthy! Just look at soy &#38; margarine &#38; cereal all promoted &#38; advertised as "healthy" foods that are good for you &#38; all anything but! Especially anything created in a lab talk about frankenstein's monster!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Dr Briffa, I think there should be a bit more of this challenging of claims made by food &#8220;manufactures&#8221; in regards to their foods being healthy! Just look at soy &amp; margarine &amp; cereal all promoted &amp; advertised as &#8220;healthy&#8221; foods that are good for you &amp; all anything but! Especially anything created in a lab talk about frankenstein&#8217;s monster!</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 02:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alison said "It can be difficult to obtain adequate protein without the use of quorn, tofu and soya products which taste good, are quick to prepare and rarely cause sensitivity\allergic reactions".

Unless one is opposed to eating meat, it isn't really that difficult to obtain adequate protein.  Humanely raised, pastured and grass-fed beef can be very quick to prepare and rarely causes sensitivity/allergic reactions.  

Tofu and other soy products, on the other hand, are highly allergenic for many people, as well as goitrogenic (harmful to the thyroid gland).  And if one is watching/controlling blood glucose with diet, steak doesn't spike blood sugar the way starchy lower quality plant-based proteins can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alison said &#8220;It can be difficult to obtain adequate protein without the use of quorn, tofu and soya products which taste good, are quick to prepare and rarely cause sensitivity\allergic reactions&#8221;.</p>
<p>Unless one is opposed to eating meat, it isn&#8217;t really that difficult to obtain adequate protein.  Humanely raised, pastured and grass-fed beef can be very quick to prepare and rarely causes sensitivity/allergic reactions.  </p>
<p>Tofu and other soy products, on the other hand, are highly allergenic for many people, as well as goitrogenic (harmful to the thyroid gland).  And if one is watching/controlling blood glucose with diet, steak doesn&#8217;t spike blood sugar the way starchy lower quality plant-based proteins can.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Highcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Highcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alison - meat and eggs are great sources of protein  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alison - meat and eggs are great sources of protein  <img src='http://www.drbriffa.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Highcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Highcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia has a funny one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorn#Controversy

The CSPI, observing that while a mushroom is a fungus, fusarium is not a mushroom, and they quipped, "Quorn's fungus is as closely related to mushrooms as humans are to jellyfish."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia has a funny one: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorn#Controversy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorn#Controversy</a></p>
<p>The CSPI, observing that while a mushroom is a fungus, fusarium is not a mushroom, and they quipped, &#8220;Quorn&#8217;s fungus is as closely related to mushrooms as humans are to jellyfish.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr John Briffa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr John Briffa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen
Perhaps the reason for why I seemed more challenging than Tim in our correspondence has something to do with the fact that he has made the claim that Quorn is a nutritious food, and that's something that I felt needed 'challenging'. 

Karen and Sue
Quorn's manufacturers have, I think, attempted to give their product a natural ‘flavour’ by likening it to mushrooms and truffles.  However, according to Professor David Geiser of the Fusarium Research Center at Pennsylvania State University in the USA, drawing parallels between the organism used to make Quorn and mushrooms is like: “calling a rat a chicken because both are animals” 

http://www.cspinet.org/new/200208121.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen<br />
Perhaps the reason for why I seemed more challenging than Tim in our correspondence has something to do with the fact that he has made the claim that Quorn is a nutritious food, and that&#8217;s something that I felt needed &#8216;challenging&#8217;. </p>
<p>Karen and Sue<br />
Quorn&#8217;s manufacturers have, I think, attempted to give their product a natural ‘flavour’ by likening it to mushrooms and truffles.  However, according to Professor David Geiser of the Fusarium Research Center at Pennsylvania State University in the USA, drawing parallels between the organism used to make Quorn and mushrooms is like: “calling a rat a chicken because both are animals” </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cspinet.org/new/200208121.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cspinet.org/new/200208121.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John

I regularly cook with quorn, and my family haven't had any of the side effects mentioned by others. However, I am not sure how often I'll use it in the future now that I have more knowledge of how it's made - like Sue, I thought it was something to do with mushrooms.

Reading the correspondence between you &#38; Tim, he seems  reasonable, and much less challenging than you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John</p>
<p>I regularly cook with quorn, and my family haven&#8217;t had any of the side effects mentioned by others. However, I am not sure how often I&#8217;ll use it in the future now that I have more knowledge of how it&#8217;s made - like Sue, I thought it was something to do with mushrooms.</p>
<p>Reading the correspondence between you &amp; Tim, he seems  reasonable, and much less challenging than you!</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can be difficult to obtain adequate protein without the use of quorn, tofu and soya products which taste good, are quick to prepare and rarely cause sensitivity\allergic reactions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can be difficult to obtain adequate protein without the use of quorn, tofu and soya products which taste good, are quick to prepare and rarely cause sensitivity\allergic reactions</p>
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